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Why the Tenth Doctor is Totally My Type
I mentioned the other day that the Tenth Doctor is Totally My Type, and ![[livejournal.com profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/external/lj-userinfo.gif)
kita0610 thought I was insane.
So how do you go from "punk rock vampire who kills/loves Slayers" to "universe-saving geeky alien on a children's show"?
It makes perfect sense in my head, but apparently is not obvious to everyone else? ;)
Now, first, don't throw things at me. I'm not saying the Tenth Doctor and Spike are the same. I'm not even saying they're mostly similar. I'm saying that they have certain similar qualities that ping my fannish radar and make me squee.
There's a difference between characters I like and characters I'm fannish about. Plenty of characters out there are perfectly fine, written well and enjoyable to watch. But I don't think about them once I turn off the TV. There's something specific about characters that get inside my head, that take up so much of my mental space that I'm compelled to go online and babble about them with other people who love them.
An incomplete list of characters I've adored in this way:
Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Methos (Highlander: the Series)
Jaime Lannister (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
Brian Kinney (Queer as Folk)
Logan Echolls (Veronica Mars)
And to a lesser extent:
Francis Crawford of Lymond (Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles)
Fox Mulder (The X-Files)
Richard Sharpe (Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series and the TV movies)
And why does the Tenth Doctor fit right in?
Well, the first thing to clarify is it isn't about morality. Because I know people are going "But OMG some of those characters are EVIL!" Which... I have a hard time even responding to, because to me it's a complete non sequitur. Of course the characters I like do bad things; it's part of what makes them interesting. White hat hero types are boring; I want characters where I can delve endlessly into their motivations and psychological complexities and dark sides. If I always know they'll Do The Right Thing in any given situation, what's the point?
These characters vary on the morality scale. Jaime Lannister managed in his second scene to commit incest, treason, and attempted murder. Methos must've raped, murdered, and enslaved tens of thousands of people. So when someone tries to tell me that Logan Echolls is the antichrist because he's spoiled, or that the Tenth Doctor is evil because he's rude... er, so?
It doesn't mean I think they're always right or that I'd justify their actions in real life, because, um, duh? But I don't want them fixed, or changed, or redeemed. I want them to revel in their fucked up glory, because that's why I like them.
I know the difference between fantasy and reality. And I've got my own ethics pretty much sorted out, thanks. Even if I didn't, I wouldn't look to television as a moral guide. (Besides, I'm never going to find a character that accurately reflects my own ethical views; how many atheist feminist vegan characters even exist? In sci-fi/fantasy? That also ping my fannish kinks? Yeah, didn't think so.)
Here's what I love about these characters. These traits don't apply exactly to everyone, but in general they're pretty close. I'm going to explain how these apply to the Tenth Doctor; if you want me to explain how something applies to one of the other characters, let me know.
* They're rogues. These characters don't have much investment in traditional authority or "traditional moral values."
The Doctor's a rebel from Time Lord society who totally breaks their whole non-interference rule. He pretty much does what he wants; he comes across a variety of other societies and breaks tons of social rules along the way.
* But each character has his own personal moral code. He tries to live by it and doesn't always succeed, which is where the interesting ethical struggles happen.
When it comes down to it, when the Doctor sees people being hurt, he tries to help them. That's his moral code. And he prefers to use his brain instead of reverting to violence, which I particularly love.
* These characters are often what I think of as the "disillusioned idealist"; they used to really believe in something, but they've had their beliefs shattered by the harshness of reality. The interesting part, the struggle, is that deep down inside they still believe or want to believe in that original idealism, even though they might be bitter about it.
The Doctor's a bit less disillusioned than most; he still pretty much explicitly sticks up for his ideals. He tries to give everyone a chance and solve problems without violence. But there's "I used to have so much mercy" and "No second chances" and the Racnoss and the Family of Blood and so yeah, it kinda fits.
* They've got to have a dark side. They can't always do the right thing, otherwise they'd be predictable and I'd be bored. And when they do do the right thing, it feels more earned, because it's not a 100% guarantee that they always will.
Which is why I love the Doctor killing the Racnoss and tormenting the Family of Blood. Why must fandom bitch incessantly about the character traits I love most?
* They've got some kind of angsty backstory that explains why they're so screwed up. Bonus points if they cry a lot and hurt really pretty.
Time War, obviously. And then the loss of Rose. And don't tell me David Tennant doesn't hurt pretty.
* They're emotionally intense. A lot of times they're kind of withdrawn and keep their feelings buried, but this just makes it even more powerful when the emotions finally come out.
OMG how much do I love the tears at the end of "Last of the Time Lords"? And the look on his face the end of "Doomsday"? And I love it particularly because so often you see him repress and not deal with his issues, so when he finally can't take it anymore he's a total mess.
* They can be very charming, but they're quite socially clueless when it comes to other people's feelings. Usually because they're too caught up in their Deep Inner Pain to notice.
Yeah, I get a vicarious thrill out of watching my favorite characters be rude. Because generally they do care, they just suck at expressing it or they use rudeness as a protective mechanism to avoid acknowledging their own feelings or having other people notice. Or they're just plain that clueless. Whatever. It is quite possible that I enjoy this because I am a rude bitch myself. ;)
* Despite the Deep Inner Pain, they've got to be fun. (I can't get into characters who just brood all the time, sorry!) This manifests as a sense of joie de vivre and/or a witty sense of humor, depending on the character. People often criticize it as hedonistic, but I like it because I like the idea of acknowledging that life usually sucks, and it's up to you to find joy where you can.
The Doctor's got the joie de vivre in spades. I completely adore the concept of a character whose reason for being is to see the universe and have adventures. So much better than Righteous Chosen Hero who's only in it to Serve the Greater Good. (I was talking about this here withscarlettgirl; basically I think traditional heroes are either 100% unrealistic or they've got some kind of hypocritical superiority/martyr complex driving them.)
* They're smart. Not always book smart, but they've at least got to be competent/witty/good at figuring stuff out. Intelligence is hot.
I love how the Doctor's a genius and yet so socially clueless. Yay for the geek hero who solves problems with his brain. :)
I think every character on my list is obviously smart except Sharpe (but he's brilliant with military tactics, just not educated), Logan Echolls (but I don't think he was dumb; he just didn't care about school) and latter-day Spike. (And probably a big reason I lost interest in Spike was that they started writing him as a buffoon. From "Once he starts something he doesn't stop until everything in his path is dead" to Spike the incompetent comic relief in AtS S5?!)
* They're lonely. They long for connection, but they're afraid of being hurt or hurting those they care about, so they push people away.
Yeah, I keep seeing people saying "But if the Doctor's so lonely, why does he push people away? He's got all these awesome people surrounding him!" But... it doesn't work like that. You can't just magically open up again after you've been hurt; it takes a lot of time to build up trust and regain the ability to let other people in. And it's particularly difficult for the Doctor because he's an alien, so there's an extra distance between him and everyone around him. (Which is part of why he gets so fixated on the Master--finally someone who can understand that "alien" side of him that the humans will just never get.)
* But they tend to really connect with one person, who they'd do just about anything for. Which still doesn't prevent them from being clueless and screwed-up in how they relate to that person.
Rose, obviously. It's not a perfect relationship, but it's a really interesting one. She helps him re-experience the wonder of the universe and shows him that the human side matters as much as the "big picture." She obviously means the world to him and yet he can't open up and admit he loves her until it's too late. (*sob*)
And then once she's gone, he's fixated on the Master, in a totally different and even more screwed-up way.
So, there you go: the list of character traits that I get fannish about. It would be a whole other discussion to figure out why these particular traits ping my interest. (It'd also probably be really personal and boring to anyone who isn't me, so I'll skip that part. But um, I promise that it relates more to traits I recognize in myself, and less to being "one of those women who writes to serial killers in prison" or "a self-hating misogynist deep down inside" or whatever the trendy criticism is these days.)
[Cross-posted to InsaneJournal]
kita0610 thought I was insane.So how do you go from "punk rock vampire who kills/loves Slayers" to "universe-saving geeky alien on a children's show"?
It makes perfect sense in my head, but apparently is not obvious to everyone else? ;)
Now, first, don't throw things at me. I'm not saying the Tenth Doctor and Spike are the same. I'm not even saying they're mostly similar. I'm saying that they have certain similar qualities that ping my fannish radar and make me squee.
There's a difference between characters I like and characters I'm fannish about. Plenty of characters out there are perfectly fine, written well and enjoyable to watch. But I don't think about them once I turn off the TV. There's something specific about characters that get inside my head, that take up so much of my mental space that I'm compelled to go online and babble about them with other people who love them.
An incomplete list of characters I've adored in this way:
Spike (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)
Methos (Highlander: the Series)
Jaime Lannister (George R.R. Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire)
Brian Kinney (Queer as Folk)
Logan Echolls (Veronica Mars)
And to a lesser extent:
Francis Crawford of Lymond (Dorothy Dunnett's Lymond Chronicles)
Fox Mulder (The X-Files)
Richard Sharpe (Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe series and the TV movies)
And why does the Tenth Doctor fit right in?
Well, the first thing to clarify is it isn't about morality. Because I know people are going "But OMG some of those characters are EVIL!" Which... I have a hard time even responding to, because to me it's a complete non sequitur. Of course the characters I like do bad things; it's part of what makes them interesting. White hat hero types are boring; I want characters where I can delve endlessly into their motivations and psychological complexities and dark sides. If I always know they'll Do The Right Thing in any given situation, what's the point?
These characters vary on the morality scale. Jaime Lannister managed in his second scene to commit incest, treason, and attempted murder. Methos must've raped, murdered, and enslaved tens of thousands of people. So when someone tries to tell me that Logan Echolls is the antichrist because he's spoiled, or that the Tenth Doctor is evil because he's rude... er, so?
It doesn't mean I think they're always right or that I'd justify their actions in real life, because, um, duh? But I don't want them fixed, or changed, or redeemed. I want them to revel in their fucked up glory, because that's why I like them.
I know the difference between fantasy and reality. And I've got my own ethics pretty much sorted out, thanks. Even if I didn't, I wouldn't look to television as a moral guide. (Besides, I'm never going to find a character that accurately reflects my own ethical views; how many atheist feminist vegan characters even exist? In sci-fi/fantasy? That also ping my fannish kinks? Yeah, didn't think so.)
Here's what I love about these characters. These traits don't apply exactly to everyone, but in general they're pretty close. I'm going to explain how these apply to the Tenth Doctor; if you want me to explain how something applies to one of the other characters, let me know.
* They're rogues. These characters don't have much investment in traditional authority or "traditional moral values."
The Doctor's a rebel from Time Lord society who totally breaks their whole non-interference rule. He pretty much does what he wants; he comes across a variety of other societies and breaks tons of social rules along the way.
* But each character has his own personal moral code. He tries to live by it and doesn't always succeed, which is where the interesting ethical struggles happen.
When it comes down to it, when the Doctor sees people being hurt, he tries to help them. That's his moral code. And he prefers to use his brain instead of reverting to violence, which I particularly love.
* These characters are often what I think of as the "disillusioned idealist"; they used to really believe in something, but they've had their beliefs shattered by the harshness of reality. The interesting part, the struggle, is that deep down inside they still believe or want to believe in that original idealism, even though they might be bitter about it.
The Doctor's a bit less disillusioned than most; he still pretty much explicitly sticks up for his ideals. He tries to give everyone a chance and solve problems without violence. But there's "I used to have so much mercy" and "No second chances" and the Racnoss and the Family of Blood and so yeah, it kinda fits.
* They've got to have a dark side. They can't always do the right thing, otherwise they'd be predictable and I'd be bored. And when they do do the right thing, it feels more earned, because it's not a 100% guarantee that they always will.
Which is why I love the Doctor killing the Racnoss and tormenting the Family of Blood. Why must fandom bitch incessantly about the character traits I love most?
* They've got some kind of angsty backstory that explains why they're so screwed up. Bonus points if they cry a lot and hurt really pretty.
Time War, obviously. And then the loss of Rose. And don't tell me David Tennant doesn't hurt pretty.
* They're emotionally intense. A lot of times they're kind of withdrawn and keep their feelings buried, but this just makes it even more powerful when the emotions finally come out.
OMG how much do I love the tears at the end of "Last of the Time Lords"? And the look on his face the end of "Doomsday"? And I love it particularly because so often you see him repress and not deal with his issues, so when he finally can't take it anymore he's a total mess.
* They can be very charming, but they're quite socially clueless when it comes to other people's feelings. Usually because they're too caught up in their Deep Inner Pain to notice.
Yeah, I get a vicarious thrill out of watching my favorite characters be rude. Because generally they do care, they just suck at expressing it or they use rudeness as a protective mechanism to avoid acknowledging their own feelings or having other people notice. Or they're just plain that clueless. Whatever. It is quite possible that I enjoy this because I am a rude bitch myself. ;)
* Despite the Deep Inner Pain, they've got to be fun. (I can't get into characters who just brood all the time, sorry!) This manifests as a sense of joie de vivre and/or a witty sense of humor, depending on the character. People often criticize it as hedonistic, but I like it because I like the idea of acknowledging that life usually sucks, and it's up to you to find joy where you can.
The Doctor's got the joie de vivre in spades. I completely adore the concept of a character whose reason for being is to see the universe and have adventures. So much better than Righteous Chosen Hero who's only in it to Serve the Greater Good. (I was talking about this here with
scarlettgirl; basically I think traditional heroes are either 100% unrealistic or they've got some kind of hypocritical superiority/martyr complex driving them.)* They're smart. Not always book smart, but they've at least got to be competent/witty/good at figuring stuff out. Intelligence is hot.
I love how the Doctor's a genius and yet so socially clueless. Yay for the geek hero who solves problems with his brain. :)
I think every character on my list is obviously smart except Sharpe (but he's brilliant with military tactics, just not educated), Logan Echolls (but I don't think he was dumb; he just didn't care about school) and latter-day Spike. (And probably a big reason I lost interest in Spike was that they started writing him as a buffoon. From "Once he starts something he doesn't stop until everything in his path is dead" to Spike the incompetent comic relief in AtS S5?!)
* They're lonely. They long for connection, but they're afraid of being hurt or hurting those they care about, so they push people away.
Yeah, I keep seeing people saying "But if the Doctor's so lonely, why does he push people away? He's got all these awesome people surrounding him!" But... it doesn't work like that. You can't just magically open up again after you've been hurt; it takes a lot of time to build up trust and regain the ability to let other people in. And it's particularly difficult for the Doctor because he's an alien, so there's an extra distance between him and everyone around him. (Which is part of why he gets so fixated on the Master--finally someone who can understand that "alien" side of him that the humans will just never get.)
* But they tend to really connect with one person, who they'd do just about anything for. Which still doesn't prevent them from being clueless and screwed-up in how they relate to that person.
Rose, obviously. It's not a perfect relationship, but it's a really interesting one. She helps him re-experience the wonder of the universe and shows him that the human side matters as much as the "big picture." She obviously means the world to him and yet he can't open up and admit he loves her until it's too late. (*sob*)
And then once she's gone, he's fixated on the Master, in a totally different and even more screwed-up way.
So, there you go: the list of character traits that I get fannish about. It would be a whole other discussion to figure out why these particular traits ping my interest. (It'd also probably be really personal and boring to anyone who isn't me, so I'll skip that part. But um, I promise that it relates more to traits I recognize in myself, and less to being "one of those women who writes to serial killers in prison" or "a self-hating misogynist deep down inside" or whatever the trendy criticism is these days.)
[Cross-posted to InsaneJournal]
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Yes.
Okay yeah, the Doctor longing to connect with people and then taking forever to acknowledge Martha seems stupid when you word it like that. But he's lost his people and opened up to Rose about that and then he lost her. So, no, he's not going to connect easily with someone else again. People don't work like that. And people of all sorts in Whoverse - aliens or not - tend to work the same in that matter.
And him losing the Master and all those people in VotD? No wonder they're bringing back the Doctor. He's in a place where he needs to connect again with someone he's known in the past. Like he did with the Master and Jack.
And bringing up like he was before? When he refused to say a proper goodbye to many of his companions and never goes to look for them again even though he still clearly loves them dearly? This is not something a healthy person with a time machine does. School Reunion explains it all.
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That's a good point. He doesn't deal well with with losing people, to the extent that he represses his feelings and actually ends up hurting them more by avoiding them. (Like abandoning Jack and Sarah Jane, basically because he didn't want to have to deal with it.)
I love that about him. It makes perfect sense that he would be like that, given how long he's lived and that he knows he's going to lose everyone eventually. The only way he can function is to keep moving forward and focusing on the next shiny thing, because the weight of the past would probably destroy him if he let it all hit him at once.
And, yeah, his not connecting with Martha is definitely because he opened up to Rose and got his heart broken. Of course he's cautious after a big emotional trauma like that.
And then he starts to connect with Astrid and she dies because of him, so of course he's back to pushing people away again, for their own good because he can't stand the thought that someone he cares about would suffer because of him. (That's why I can forgive the two times he sends Rose away, in "The Parting of the Ways" and "Doomsday," because he's not doing it because he wants her to have a Normal Life; he's doing it because he can't deal with causing her pain/death.)
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In some ways Martha was in a sucky position because the Doctor was just not in a place where he could connect easily. But I just found myself not being able to really see Martha's point of view when she snarked about Rose. If I had a compelling character reason for Martha to act jealous of a girl she doesn't even know then maybe it'd be different. SHOW I EXPECT YOU TO GIVE ME BETTER CHARACTERIZATION. :(
(That's why I can forgive the two times he sends Rose away, in "The Parting of the Ways" and "Doomsday," because he's not doing it because he wants her to have a Normal Life; he's doing it because he can't deal with causing her pain/death.)
Exactly. He values Rose being alive over her being dead. It's always been that way. Even if he knows she's not happy and be in pain, he's got faith that she'll have a fantastic life.