The guy doing the study obviously thought the rigid, unwavering ethical standards, regardless of circumstance, was Right, and that women were "weak" for caring about circumstances and reasons.
I think Martin is making a very strong case FOR caring about circumstances, to be honest. The people who blindly follow their vows are not necessarily the ones we are supposed to root for - I think it's in the confrontation with Catelyn in the dungeons that Jaime tells her that he has made so many vows and he *can't* follow all of them - because his vow to protect the weak came into direct conflict with his vow to serve Aerys without question...
If only I could quit working and not need to sleep, then I could just sit down and finish it! (I keep wanting to skip ahead to the Jaime parts ... I don't care about boring Bran or whiny Sansa!)
Heh! Well, Sansa may surprise you a little, but she's one of my least favorite characters. I find the Bran chapters interesting because they are beginning to give us some hints about events in the past that have had a direct impact on the present. But like you, I did want to skip to the Jaime sections :)
Please, please post as soon as you finish A Storm of Swords - I like your description of being motivated by love or duty, but I think it’s harder to pin Jaime down in that regard, only I can’t say why because I don’t want to spoil you. To some extent, yes, much of his relationship with Cersei has been about being love’s bitch, but he is not only driven by love, the way that you so rightly point out that Spike is… Again, though, I don’t want to spoil you ;)
I fell in love with Jaime in the scene in the dungeons of Riverrun with Catelyn towards the end of A Clash of Kings - and the reasons were twofold: First, his sheer arrogance and “fuck you” attitude were completely captivating to me, given that he had none of the power in that scene (and he reminded me very much of Snarky Spike there); and secondly, for the first time, we got a chance to see that maybe there was a different side to the Kingslaying – or at least, we saw how Jaime had been revolted by what Aerys did to Ned Stark’s father and brother and that he was not as blindly obedient to his vows as some of the other Kingsguard were…
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Date: 2003-07-08 09:59 am (UTC)I think Martin is making a very strong case FOR caring about circumstances, to be honest. The people who blindly follow their vows are not necessarily the ones we are supposed to root for - I think it's in the confrontation with Catelyn in the dungeons that Jaime tells her that he has made so many vows and he *can't* follow all of them - because his vow to protect the weak came into direct conflict with his vow to serve Aerys without question...
If only I could quit working and not need to sleep, then I could just sit down and finish it! (I keep wanting to skip ahead to the Jaime parts ... I don't care about boring Bran or whiny Sansa!)
Heh! Well, Sansa may surprise you a little, but she's one of my least favorite characters. I find the Bran chapters interesting because they are beginning to give us some hints about events in the past that have had a direct impact on the present. But like you, I did want to skip to the Jaime sections :)
Please, please post as soon as you finish A Storm of Swords - I like your description of being motivated by love or duty, but I think it’s harder to pin Jaime down in that regard, only I can’t say why because I don’t want to spoil you. To some extent, yes, much of his relationship with Cersei has been about being love’s bitch, but he is not only driven by love, the way that you so rightly point out that Spike is… Again, though, I don’t want to spoil you ;)
I fell in love with Jaime in the scene in the dungeons of Riverrun with Catelyn towards the end of A Clash of Kings - and the reasons were twofold: First, his sheer arrogance and “fuck you” attitude were completely captivating to me, given that he had none of the power in that scene (and he reminded me very much of Snarky Spike there); and secondly, for the first time, we got a chance to see that maybe there was a different side to the Kingslaying – or at least, we saw how Jaime had been revolted by what Aerys did to Ned Stark’s father and brother and that he was not as blindly obedient to his vows as some of the other Kingsguard were…