The Doctor himself, of his own volition, only brought her up twice.
THNAK YOU! There's even a joke icon I've seen about how the Doctor brought up Rose again to Martha and she's had enough of it, and I'm like seriously when? You cannot win those arguments though, several times now I've been told that the Doctor did in fact bring up Rose constantly, and one person kept insisting that the Gridlock reference came from the Doctor and why on earth would Martha bring up Rose, that's just silly. So I ended up rewatching the scene just to pull out the exact quotes, and then they stopped replying to me at all after that...
When people say this, what they mean is "The Doctor never fucked Martha."
:nods: The Doctor was constantly saying thank you, hugging Martha, making comments like "Martha Jones, you are a star". Again with this, I've had someone insist that the Doctor never said thank you in Family Of Blood *blinks and rewatches hug scene*
Martha's speech in that final scene was not about her feeling mistreated or underappreciated either, however fandom generally perceives it. It was about the comparison with her friend who kept waiting around for someone to fall in love with her, and Martha realising it was time to stop putting herself through that. Why on earth should the Doctor apologise for not falling in love, or for being attracted to blondes? Romantic love isn't about deserving that love because of how loyal you are, it's by and large a chemical response to another person. The Doctor did like Martha and care about her as a friend, but it wasn't like it was with Rose, and Martha finally accepted that it was just too hard to be around him when she was waiting on these secret hopes. There wasn't much the Doctor could say to that, and they both knew it. To expect the Doctor to kiss Martha's feet in that scene apologising, or to take offense if he ever kisses or holds a companions hand again, simply isn't fair. I've even seen CAPSLOCK anger about Astrid getting kisses twice, and Martha only getting the genetic transfer kiss, even though she was loyal to the Doctor for months. Er I didn't know people are obliged to kiss someone who is in love with them???
People seem to forget that the Doctor is a Time Lord, and has always behaved differently from us, when they want to pull out these moments of the Doctor not treating Martha with enough human sensitivity. Don't even get me started on "he'd never treat Rose like that" whines when it comes to stuff like the Doctor being thoughtless enough to invite Joan along, and how unappreciative that is of Martha. Did people actually watch GITF?
The other thing that's annoying me today: the fact that every time Doctor Who shows up on Fandom Wank, it turns into a big Rose-bashing extravaganza. It's just an excuse for a bunch of ugly grudgewank from bitter Martha fans
Totally. Both sides are as bad as each other frankly, but people want to put it all on the Rose fans which gets tiresome. It's strange because I've seen many Martha fans act exactly in the way that they once mocked Rose fans. A hugely O/T response to their favoured companion leaving, comments on how the Doctor isn't fit to lick her books and Martha pwns everyone by far, should be the next Doctor, have her own show. And it's like come on, did you not once make fun of Rose fans for being all about Rose and putting you off the character, did you not tell them the whole point of the show is that the next companion comes along in a minute? And the same people who hated the Doctor putting Rose on a pedestal and shouted Mary-Sue, then freak out when the Doctor fails to be swept off his feet by Martha.
But fandom wank really does seem obsessed with "batchippers". Even in the wank which featured people having frankly terrifying responses to the Rose spoiler news, talking of wanting to kill the writers in the most sadistic and disturbing detail, or yelling in all caps that RTD is a bigot that should get fucked up the ass with a rusty pole, still the most attention on the wank seemed to focus on Rose fans feeling vindicated and having a nah nah moment.
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Date: 2008-01-27 12:31 am (UTC)THNAK YOU! There's even a joke icon I've seen about how the Doctor brought up Rose again to Martha and she's had enough of it, and I'm like seriously when? You cannot win those arguments though, several times now I've been told that the Doctor did in fact bring up Rose constantly, and one person kept insisting that the Gridlock reference came from the Doctor and why on earth would Martha bring up Rose, that's just silly. So I ended up rewatching the scene just to pull out the exact quotes, and then they stopped replying to me at all after that...
When people say this, what they mean is "The Doctor never fucked Martha."
:nods: The Doctor was constantly saying thank you, hugging Martha, making comments like "Martha Jones, you are a star". Again with this, I've had someone insist that the Doctor never said thank you in Family Of Blood *blinks and rewatches hug scene*
Martha's speech in that final scene was not about her feeling mistreated or underappreciated either, however fandom generally perceives it. It was about the comparison with her friend who kept waiting around for someone to fall in love with her, and Martha realising it was time to stop putting herself through that. Why on earth should the Doctor apologise for not falling in love, or for being attracted to blondes? Romantic love isn't about deserving that love because of how loyal you are, it's by and large a chemical response to another person. The Doctor did like Martha and care about her as a friend, but it wasn't like it was with Rose, and Martha finally accepted that it was just too hard to be around him when she was waiting on these secret hopes. There wasn't much the Doctor could say to that, and they both knew it. To expect the Doctor to kiss Martha's feet in that scene apologising, or to take offense if he ever kisses or holds a companions hand again, simply isn't fair. I've even seen CAPSLOCK anger about Astrid getting kisses twice, and Martha only getting the genetic transfer kiss, even though she was loyal to the Doctor for months. Er I didn't know people are obliged to kiss someone who is in love with them???
People seem to forget that the Doctor is a Time Lord, and has always behaved differently from us, when they want to pull out these moments of the Doctor not treating Martha with enough human sensitivity. Don't even get me started on "he'd never treat Rose like that" whines when it comes to stuff like the Doctor being thoughtless enough to invite Joan along, and how unappreciative that is of Martha. Did people actually watch GITF?
The other thing that's annoying me today: the fact that every time Doctor Who shows up on Fandom Wank, it turns into a big Rose-bashing extravaganza. It's just an excuse for a bunch of ugly grudgewank from bitter Martha fans
Totally. Both sides are as bad as each other frankly, but people want to put it all on the Rose fans which gets tiresome. It's strange because I've seen many Martha fans act exactly in the way that they once mocked Rose fans. A hugely O/T response to their favoured companion leaving, comments on how the Doctor isn't fit to lick her books and Martha pwns everyone by far, should be the next Doctor, have her own show. And it's like come on, did you not once make fun of Rose fans for being all about Rose and putting you off the character, did you not tell them the whole point of the show is that the next companion comes along in a minute? And the same people who hated the Doctor putting Rose on a pedestal and shouted Mary-Sue, then freak out when the Doctor fails to be swept off his feet by Martha.
But fandom wank really does seem obsessed with "batchippers". Even in the wank which featured people having frankly terrifying responses to the Rose spoiler news, talking of wanting to kill the writers in the most sadistic and disturbing detail, or yelling in all caps that RTD is a bigot that should get fucked up the ass with a rusty pole, still the most attention on the wank seemed to focus on Rose fans feeling vindicated and having a nah nah moment.