Creation Con Report
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I haven't read LJ in something like a week. I know, I know, I need to catch up. Working on it.
I got all caught up in helping the Saving Angel campaign. The group was invited to promote, and given a table, at the Creation con in NJ over the weekend. But the only people from the group actually going were me and one other person who could only come on Sunday. So I ended up doing most of it so that we'd be prepared on Saturday.
Friday night, Sharon (
rockgoddes), Colleen (
redeem147), and Leslie (
psubrat) arrived and came into the city to hang out. We went to TeaNY, which has wonderful food and tea and lousy service.
jaydk and
drujan joined us. It was really fun--I hadn't seen Sharon since DragonCon so it was great to catch up with her.
Sharon took a lot of my Saving Angel fliers back with her that night, so that I didn't have to carry them along with all my own stuff the next morning. (I had a big heavy box of fliers, plus sign stands and photos and all this other stuff, so it was great to have help).
Saturday morning I met up with
thefangirl at the Port Authority and we took the bus to Secaucus, NJ. (
soulmate815 joined us later and the three of us roomed together). Then we had to wait a half hour in the cold for the hotel shuttle to come get us. (The staff was unbelievably rude at this hotel.) We got there a bit after 11--people were just starting to arrive. So we registered and then went to set up our table (which was right there waiting for us).
I had printed:
500 Saving Angel fliers
300 fliers with addresses (for sending postcards)
400 Saving Angel postcards
1 11x17 Saving Angel banner
And I bought sign-stands myself and printed 8 1/2 x 11 pictures of the billboard truck to put in them. Teep sent a package with a copy of Variety (the Saving Angel ad was on the back cover) and a bunch more postcards. Sharon brought sign-up forms for the email newsletter with the Saving Angel logo at the top. Mary, the other Saving Angel member, brought her copy of the Hollywood Reporter ad on Sunday, so that day we had both magazines, along with the pictures of the truck and all the fliers and postcards.
We put fliers near registration, and asked all the dealers if they'd put them in bags or give them to people as they bought stuff. (Every dealer agreed--they want to save the show too!) We gave out nearly all 400 postcards; about half were returned, filled out, for us to send. (I'm going to buy stamps on my lunch break and send my half today--the other group member, Mary, is also stamping and sending half of them). We collected 115 names for the email newsletter. Sharon did announcements on the stage to tell people to come to our table. We talked to TONS of people. Oh, and a couple of people from the Angel magazine came and took a picture of us at the table for the magazine. :)
It wasn't as big as it could've been, unfortunately, just because the con itself was so small. I'd estimate at most 500 people on Saturday and maybe half that on Sunday.
Saturday I spent almost all day at the table (not like there was much programming anyway). I missed Iyari Limon's talk, but I'd seen her before. I did go to see Nick Brendon talk, though. He was sweet and friendly. Couple of interesting things he said: they were very close to ending the series with Buffy/Xander, but ultimately decided on Buffy alone. They were also very close to killing Xander, but then decided that they couldn't kill a main character and so they maimed him instead. (My aside: #$%$#!!!! God, I wish Xander had died instead of Anya!) Oh, and someone asked him who was hotter, Spike or Angel, and he replied "Spangel."
After the day programming, they had a dessert party at 8pm. Stephanie Romanov and Robia LaMorte were there, going around to each table, talking to people and taking pictures. They were both really sweet. Stephanie in particular was just so strikingly nice (I guess because we were so used to superbitch Lilah). They were very friendly and spent a lot of time chatting with whoever wanted to talk to them. (I got photos with both).
I couldn't eat the ice cream, of course, but I brought a chocolate bar, and had drinks. So I was happy. Iyari came over and ate her ice cream at our table, chatting the whole time. She's incredibly outgoing, and comes across as very young.
Robin Atkin Downes (who played Machida in "Reptile Boy"--yeah, I don't remember either) entertained us by playing piano. (Robin's table was next to ours, so we spent most of our time at the con sitting next to him--he was very nice.)
Someone finally plied Nick Brendon away from the bar and got him to come to the ice cream party, where he played piano with Robin and tried to do some songs. (No one in the audience knew them--we couldn't even get "Hey Jude" going.) Finally they did some songs from the Buffy musical--Nick did Xander's part and the crowd did Anya's. After three false starts they actually got through the first verse. Then Nick and Robin just played piano together, uh, by pressing random keys for about ten minutes, basically. It was interesting.
After the party we went and hung out at the bar--Nick was there, very drunk. We got pictures with him which are going to look awful.
Then we just hung out and partied.
nautibitz,
lovebytez, and
vixkitten were there with friends--and they brought Devil Piglet! She wrote one of my all-time favorite stories, Roundabout, and has many other wonderful fics. She's also one of the nicest people I've met in fandom. It was so incredibly great to finally meet her. I wish we'd had a chance to talk more, but we did get to talk for a while about fandom, fic, conventions, that kind of thing.
Also, she is obsessed with snack food, so at some point I told her that when I finally met her I was going to have her try vegan Cheetos. So I brought a bag for her (the brand name is Tings). She said they were a success. ;)
So, we were out pretty late Saturday night at the bar. Then Sunday morning I had to get up early to go set up the table again. (Well, early for me--I got up around 9:30).
The other Saving Angel member, Mary, got there around 11:30 and brought her own box of fliers. (We had enough, so she ended up giving them to this other woman at the con who volunteered to give them out at a con that's coming up this weekend--I-CON I think). Mary turned out to be really really nice and helpful and friendly. I was sort of nervous because she's, like, a B/A fan who posts on the Babble board and stuff, but we both were Angel fans so everything was fine.
Sunday I saw Robia LaMorte, who was interesting. I probably won't go see her again, though. She's a seriously, um, devoted religious fundamentalist who has apparently taken convention appearances as an opportunity to share the message about god. She gave out tapes of her telling her personal story of finding god, and even gave out her personal email address so that people can write to her to talk about god. When asked how she felt about Jenny being pagan, she said "I try to ignore that stuff and pretend it doesn't exist." She said that she was very upset about "Amends" and wouldn't have done it if possible, because her role was glorifying Satan. Um, okay. Anyway, like I said, she personally was nice, but I wouldn't go see her again. (Since, y'know, an atheist like me is damned in her eyes anyway.)
She did talk somewhat about the show--she said that the essence of Jenny is her sarcasm and quick wit (seen in her bantering with Giles). And she talked about her experiences touring with Prince.
Stephanie Romanov was very, very cool. She talked a lot about Lilah as a character--how much good or evil is in her? (She said she believes that everyone is fundamentally good, but that Lilah is on the wrong path and doing really evil things). She said she imagined that Lilah was powerless as a child, so was trying to get as much power as she could as an adult--but that pursuing power for power's sake is wrong. Also that as a woman in a man's world, she had to work even harder than the men and so was even more tough because of that. She liked "Billy," because in that episode Lilah got to be the hero. She said that Lilah really wanted Angel, but since she couldn't have him, she wanted to kill him instead (that was her fanwank for why Lilah wanted to kill Angel so much). She said that Lilah/Wesley seemed to spring up out of nowhere, but that she loved it--although the scenes with Alexis were very awkward because they'd known each other so long. She also said that in season two they were going to make Christian Kane a regular and get rid of her, but contract negotiations failed so they kept Lilah instead of Lindsey. She also said that they killed her because they couldn't afford to keep paying her. She was asked directly if Eve was just a poor replacement for Lilah and said she didn't know because she doesn't watch the show anymore. She pretty much seemed to have moved on from the whole Angel universe--she also talked about her experiences on "Models Inc" and stuff she's working on now.
All the guests personalized autographs. Stephanie signed my AtS S1 DVD, Robia signed a cute picture of Drusilla-as-Jenny with Giles from "Becoming" (I'm going to get ASH to sign it too), and Nick signed the Xander centerfold that was in a recent Buffy magazine issue. Stephanie was also selling (and signing) pictures of Lilah dressed as Fred--I wish I'd bought one of those!
So after it was over, we packed up the table and sorted through the postcards. (I can't tell you how many people don't know how to fill out a postcard! We'd even had a sample at the table to show people how to write one. So, we wrote in addresses on all the cards that weren't addressed to anyone.)
The trip home was a pain--we had to wait a half hour for the hotel shuttle, which took us to the bus stop (it was SO COLD!), the bus took us to NYC (we took up a whole extra row of seats with all our bags and the table stuff), then I got a cab home.
It was so great to see everyone--I'm sad that it's over. The con itself was lame, but the company was wonderful.
I got all caught up in helping the Saving Angel campaign. The group was invited to promote, and given a table, at the Creation con in NJ over the weekend. But the only people from the group actually going were me and one other person who could only come on Sunday. So I ended up doing most of it so that we'd be prepared on Saturday.
Friday night, Sharon (
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Sharon took a lot of my Saving Angel fliers back with her that night, so that I didn't have to carry them along with all my own stuff the next morning. (I had a big heavy box of fliers, plus sign stands and photos and all this other stuff, so it was great to have help).
Saturday morning I met up with
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I had printed:
500 Saving Angel fliers
300 fliers with addresses (for sending postcards)
400 Saving Angel postcards
1 11x17 Saving Angel banner
And I bought sign-stands myself and printed 8 1/2 x 11 pictures of the billboard truck to put in them. Teep sent a package with a copy of Variety (the Saving Angel ad was on the back cover) and a bunch more postcards. Sharon brought sign-up forms for the email newsletter with the Saving Angel logo at the top. Mary, the other Saving Angel member, brought her copy of the Hollywood Reporter ad on Sunday, so that day we had both magazines, along with the pictures of the truck and all the fliers and postcards.
We put fliers near registration, and asked all the dealers if they'd put them in bags or give them to people as they bought stuff. (Every dealer agreed--they want to save the show too!) We gave out nearly all 400 postcards; about half were returned, filled out, for us to send. (I'm going to buy stamps on my lunch break and send my half today--the other group member, Mary, is also stamping and sending half of them). We collected 115 names for the email newsletter. Sharon did announcements on the stage to tell people to come to our table. We talked to TONS of people. Oh, and a couple of people from the Angel magazine came and took a picture of us at the table for the magazine. :)
It wasn't as big as it could've been, unfortunately, just because the con itself was so small. I'd estimate at most 500 people on Saturday and maybe half that on Sunday.
Saturday I spent almost all day at the table (not like there was much programming anyway). I missed Iyari Limon's talk, but I'd seen her before. I did go to see Nick Brendon talk, though. He was sweet and friendly. Couple of interesting things he said: they were very close to ending the series with Buffy/Xander, but ultimately decided on Buffy alone. They were also very close to killing Xander, but then decided that they couldn't kill a main character and so they maimed him instead. (My aside: #$%$#!!!! God, I wish Xander had died instead of Anya!) Oh, and someone asked him who was hotter, Spike or Angel, and he replied "Spangel."
After the day programming, they had a dessert party at 8pm. Stephanie Romanov and Robia LaMorte were there, going around to each table, talking to people and taking pictures. They were both really sweet. Stephanie in particular was just so strikingly nice (I guess because we were so used to superbitch Lilah). They were very friendly and spent a lot of time chatting with whoever wanted to talk to them. (I got photos with both).
I couldn't eat the ice cream, of course, but I brought a chocolate bar, and had drinks. So I was happy. Iyari came over and ate her ice cream at our table, chatting the whole time. She's incredibly outgoing, and comes across as very young.
Robin Atkin Downes (who played Machida in "Reptile Boy"--yeah, I don't remember either) entertained us by playing piano. (Robin's table was next to ours, so we spent most of our time at the con sitting next to him--he was very nice.)
Someone finally plied Nick Brendon away from the bar and got him to come to the ice cream party, where he played piano with Robin and tried to do some songs. (No one in the audience knew them--we couldn't even get "Hey Jude" going.) Finally they did some songs from the Buffy musical--Nick did Xander's part and the crowd did Anya's. After three false starts they actually got through the first verse. Then Nick and Robin just played piano together, uh, by pressing random keys for about ten minutes, basically. It was interesting.
After the party we went and hung out at the bar--Nick was there, very drunk. We got pictures with him which are going to look awful.
Then we just hung out and partied.
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Also, she is obsessed with snack food, so at some point I told her that when I finally met her I was going to have her try vegan Cheetos. So I brought a bag for her (the brand name is Tings). She said they were a success. ;)
So, we were out pretty late Saturday night at the bar. Then Sunday morning I had to get up early to go set up the table again. (Well, early for me--I got up around 9:30).
The other Saving Angel member, Mary, got there around 11:30 and brought her own box of fliers. (We had enough, so she ended up giving them to this other woman at the con who volunteered to give them out at a con that's coming up this weekend--I-CON I think). Mary turned out to be really really nice and helpful and friendly. I was sort of nervous because she's, like, a B/A fan who posts on the Babble board and stuff, but we both were Angel fans so everything was fine.
Sunday I saw Robia LaMorte, who was interesting. I probably won't go see her again, though. She's a seriously, um, devoted religious fundamentalist who has apparently taken convention appearances as an opportunity to share the message about god. She gave out tapes of her telling her personal story of finding god, and even gave out her personal email address so that people can write to her to talk about god. When asked how she felt about Jenny being pagan, she said "I try to ignore that stuff and pretend it doesn't exist." She said that she was very upset about "Amends" and wouldn't have done it if possible, because her role was glorifying Satan. Um, okay. Anyway, like I said, she personally was nice, but I wouldn't go see her again. (Since, y'know, an atheist like me is damned in her eyes anyway.)
She did talk somewhat about the show--she said that the essence of Jenny is her sarcasm and quick wit (seen in her bantering with Giles). And she talked about her experiences touring with Prince.
Stephanie Romanov was very, very cool. She talked a lot about Lilah as a character--how much good or evil is in her? (She said she believes that everyone is fundamentally good, but that Lilah is on the wrong path and doing really evil things). She said she imagined that Lilah was powerless as a child, so was trying to get as much power as she could as an adult--but that pursuing power for power's sake is wrong. Also that as a woman in a man's world, she had to work even harder than the men and so was even more tough because of that. She liked "Billy," because in that episode Lilah got to be the hero. She said that Lilah really wanted Angel, but since she couldn't have him, she wanted to kill him instead (that was her fanwank for why Lilah wanted to kill Angel so much). She said that Lilah/Wesley seemed to spring up out of nowhere, but that she loved it--although the scenes with Alexis were very awkward because they'd known each other so long. She also said that in season two they were going to make Christian Kane a regular and get rid of her, but contract negotiations failed so they kept Lilah instead of Lindsey. She also said that they killed her because they couldn't afford to keep paying her. She was asked directly if Eve was just a poor replacement for Lilah and said she didn't know because she doesn't watch the show anymore. She pretty much seemed to have moved on from the whole Angel universe--she also talked about her experiences on "Models Inc" and stuff she's working on now.
All the guests personalized autographs. Stephanie signed my AtS S1 DVD, Robia signed a cute picture of Drusilla-as-Jenny with Giles from "Becoming" (I'm going to get ASH to sign it too), and Nick signed the Xander centerfold that was in a recent Buffy magazine issue. Stephanie was also selling (and signing) pictures of Lilah dressed as Fred--I wish I'd bought one of those!
So after it was over, we packed up the table and sorted through the postcards. (I can't tell you how many people don't know how to fill out a postcard! We'd even had a sample at the table to show people how to write one. So, we wrote in addresses on all the cards that weren't addressed to anyone.)
The trip home was a pain--we had to wait a half hour for the hotel shuttle, which took us to the bus stop (it was SO COLD!), the bus took us to NYC (we took up a whole extra row of seats with all our bags and the table stuff), then I got a cab home.
It was so great to see everyone--I'm sad that it's over. The con itself was lame, but the company was wonderful.
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Date: 2004-03-22 09:57 am (UTC)*hugs you tightly*
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:11 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 09:59 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 12:14 pm (UTC)Stephanie was really great; I'd love to see her again.
I think I'm going to definitely go to Toronto Trek. I'm going to look into booking a plane soon. Is there still space for me in your room or should I book my own? Also, there's been some talk about coming early and exploring the city, maybe going to Niagra falls or something--any thoughts on that? I need to figure it all out before I book plane tickets.
I can't wait to see you this year!!! :)
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:54 pm (UTC)There's definitely room for you at the hotel. No worries. Just let me know what days you'll be staying. Oh and FYI, we have one male roommate. You ok with that?
(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 01:48 pm (UTC)That's okay, as long as he's nice. Who else would be in the room?
Thank you!!!!!
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Date: 2004-03-22 02:18 pm (UTC)Be advised that airports are recommending arriving 3 hours early for international flights and this counts as an international flight.
He's very nice. You'll like him bunches and he's not with us every night. He's also likely coming to DragonCon. I can recommend no other man quite so highly as I do him. :-)
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Date: 2004-03-22 09:59 am (UTC)Ugh, prosylitizing. Not a good thing. Yuck.
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:05 am (UTC)Yet more proof that these folks are all too human, just like the rest of us.
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:15 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 10:04 am (UTC)::sigh::
But Nick said "Spangel"?!?!?!? LMAO!
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:16 pm (UTC)Mine, too. But Stephanie made up for it--she's very cool.
But Nick said "Spangel"?!?!?!? LMAO!
He totally did! He also said he's never been online in his life, though, so I'm not sure he understood the full implication of it.
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:08 am (UTC)I so wanted to go. But, hopefully we can have fun next month at the next CommonRo gig, and of course, make our own fun at MR. 'Cause yeah, con lameness, but friends cool!
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 10:18 am (UTC)GAH! *dies*
And you? ROCK SO VERY, VERY MUCH! Thank you for doing all of this.
(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 12:20 pm (UTC)I wish there was more that I could do. But at least I can say that I tried to help save the show and didn't give up without a fight. :)
(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 10:21 am (UTC)I think I really like NB.
Also thanks for all your hard work, chica. *snuggles you*
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Date: 2004-03-22 12:21 pm (UTC)Nick was looking good--a lot better than Xander, actually. (These cute glasses, scruffy hair, thinner, etc.)
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Date: 2004-03-22 10:22 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 12:23 pm (UTC)I wish there was more that I could do. I SO want to fly to LA and do this again at the big Grand Slam Creation con this weekend (30,000 people!). If only I were rich and didn't have school!
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Date: 2004-03-22 11:49 am (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 12:26 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2004-03-22 12:58 pm (UTC)Home now...for awhile anyway, then I have to head out to a TT meeting tonight. Sigh.
It was so wonderful to see you this weekend, I just can't tell you how much I enjoy your company. You're just an absolute delight to hang with.
Thanks for letting me help out my little bit this weekend, it was lotsa fun to talk to everyone...and gee, I thought Robia wasn't anywhere near as bad about the Xtian stuff this weekend as she was in Nashville; she literally didn't shut up about it there, whereas here she chose to give people tapes to listen to on their own rather than what she did in Nashville, which was go on and on and on about it. Although I'm an atheist I don't actually care about that kind of stuff 'cause it doesn't affect me one way or the other and I don't really care...but that's just me.
[Snoopy dances]
You're coming to TT, you're coming to TT! Squeee!
Lotsa hugs.
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Date: 2004-03-22 01:58 pm (UTC)I didn't see Robia at Nashville, so I didn't have anything to compare her to. I did feel that she was very overbearing at this con (though from what I've heard Nashville was much worse). I do think that there is something very offensive in saying "I try to pretend that stuff [paganism] doesn't exist" to a room full of people, many of whom might be pagan. Imagine saying "I try to pretend that homosexuality doesn't exist" to a room containing gay people? (or to anyone, honestly). I just don't think it's appropriate. If she was at a Christian convention it would be different, but this was the wrong situation.
JMHO, no offense intended, etc.
I'm really glad that I'm going to TT! :) Elizabeth said that there's room for me. I just need to figure out when I'm arriving/leaving. What do you suggest for arrival and departure dates?
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Date: 2004-03-23 12:06 pm (UTC)Anyway, whatever. To each his own, blah blah.
Your very best bet for TT is to come in at least on Thursday, leave on Monday - then for sure you won't miss anything. Having said that, it's a long holiday weekend so travelling on SUNDAY night might be easier and less crowded since everyone and their dog will be travelling on Monday. But our programming does end Sunday evening about 6:00 like Liz said, so...AND travelling on Thursday to come in will be slightly cheaper than on the Friday. You won't save much by travelling on Sunday or Monday, though, since it's a holiday weekend - it'd be way cheaper to come in Thursday, go back Tuesday, but I know that's probably not possible. Anyway, that's some stuff to chew on!
con report; B/X? Death of X?
Date: 2004-03-22 01:28 pm (UTC)re: NB's comment: they were very close to ending the series with Buffy/Xander, but ultimately decided on Buffy alone.
Oh, yes, NB. It was written all over the last 5 seasons of BtVS that Buffy and Xander would ultimately wind up together. Why in S7 alone, when they had almost no screen time together and Spike was her constant shadow, it was clear ... you know, NB sounds like a nice guy (though, do all actors drink lots?) but he's sailing down DeNile if he thinks that was ever in prospect after, perhaps, half an hour in S2 ...
They were also very close to killing Xander, but then decided that they couldn't kill a main character and so they maimed him instead.
I believe this a lot more easily. I don't think they could kill Xander because the message would then have been, you have to have superpowers to survive adolescence. Also, the writing of Xander had fallen off so badly that he wasn't integral to the series anymore, so killing him wouldn't have made much difference; no point in it. (Unlike killing Fred, for example, which makes a huge difference.) But I can see how they might have entertained that idea and then decided they couldn't do much with it.
Re: con report; B/X? Death of X?
Date: 2004-03-22 02:14 pm (UTC)ME never got over their whole "Buffy deserves a normal life," "Buffy just wants to be a normal girl" blah blah blah conformity regressive bullshit. Xander is the epitome of the "normal guy" and fit perfectly into that whole "idealization of the normal" thing that Buffy (and ME) has going.
I seriously think we came way closer to B/X than most Spike fans comprehend. If anything stopped it, it was the massive popularity of JM and the comparitive lack of popularity for NB. (Just like Joss really wanted to make the season's focus on Dawn and her friends in high school, but the network nixed it because Dawn was so unpopular). If it was just the decisions of the writers we'd have had a very different S7.
I don't think they could kill Xander because the message would then have been, you have to have superpowers to survive adolescence.
Er, compared to the delightful message that they gave by killing Anya: if you're not one of the core four, your life doesn't even count and we can still have a happy ending while you lie dead?
I think Xander's death would've been a lot better, because it would show that the oh-so-sacred core four was still vulnerable (and add some actual suspense into the show, instead of having sacred characters that you know nothing would happen to). And since he had nothing to do for the last, oh, three years, it should've happened back then. But Xander would've have more meaning and been more powerful than Anya's irrelevant sidenote of a death.
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Date: 2004-03-22 08:47 pm (UTC){{{Laura}}}
When I Saw You, My Heart Did A Snoopy Dance.
Date: 2004-03-23 12:26 pm (UTC)Re: When I Saw You, My Heart Did A Snoopy Dance.
Date: 2004-03-23 03:16 pm (UTC)P.S. I'm still kinda mad that Iyari ate some of my Ting's.
Re: When I Saw You, My Heart Did A Snoopy Dance.
Date: 2004-03-23 10:39 pm (UTC)It was so totally great to finally meet you!
I could tell that you were *not* happy that Iyari wanted to open the bag of Tings. Ah well--when you come to NYC next time I'll get you a bag that you can open on your own time and have all to yourself. ;)
I figured that you were really tired on Sunday--I was also feeling totally dead by that point. I wish we'd had more time to talk, too--we touched on some really interesting stuff about fic but didn't get to go into much depth. Hopefully when you come visit again we can have a long conversation. :)
Yes, if you can't tell, I really want you to come visit again! I'm really hoping that you will be able to make it. We'll go somewhere quiet enough where we can sit down and talk for a good amount of time. :)